“Sh’ma, Yisra’el! Adonai Eloheinu, Adonai echad [Hear, Israel! Adonai our God, Adonai is one]; and you are to love Adonai your God with all your heart, all your being and all your resources.”-Deuteronomy 6:4-6
Now that we are on the topic of the SHEMA, I hope you are realizing one important thing.
If the SHEMA is true, then this idea that Yeshua is also literally God Himself cannot be true.
It just can’t be.
Even the Hebrew writers of the New Testament Scriptures make a clear distinction between the visible Yeshua the Messiah and his invisible Father.
The Father is always portrayed as one who has no human equals and is the Almighty Creator.
The apostles NEVER claim that Yeshua is the Almighty Creator and the Father in heaven.
Instead Yeshua is portrayed as the mortal human servant and the son of God who himself worships, serves and prays to the Almighty Creator who he said was greater than himself.
Yeshua never claims to be the invisible and immortal Creator Who no person has seen or can see.
For all you trinitarian proponents out there, why don’t you chew on these verses for a second?
“Father, if you are willing,
take this cup away from me;
still, let not my will but yours be done.”
-Luke 22:42
“For I have come down from heaven
to do not my own will
but the will of the One who sent me.”
-John 6:38
One doesn’t need to be a logician of genius proportions to clearly see that Yeshua is reading himself as OUTSIDE OF AND SEPARATE FROM the Almighty when he prayed those verses.
For those of you haven’t yet drunk the Trinitarian Kool-Aid, I want to share with you a nice, quick and convenient little argument that destroys Trinity doctrine for all time and forever.
I’ll present it to you in dialogue format as follows:
TRUE BELIEVER:
So Mister Trinitarian, is there only one God?
TRINITARIAN:
Yes there is only one true God.
TRUE BELIEVER:
Is Yeshua’s God that one true God
TRINITARIAN:
Yes, Yeshua’s God is only the one true God.
TRUE BELIEVER:
Is Yeshua’s God the one he refers to as his Father in Heaven?
TRINITARIAN:
Yes, Yeshua’s God is the one he refers to as his Father in Heaven.
TRUE BELIEVER:
Did Yeshua’s God say the following?
“You are to have no other gods before me.”
-Exodus 20:3
“You are my witnesses,” says Adonai,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you can know and trust me
and understand that I am he —
no god was produced before me,
nor will any be after me.”
-Isaiah 43:10
“Thus says Adonai, Isra’el’s King
and Redeemer, Adonai-Tzva’ot:
“I am the first, and I am the last;
besides me there is no God.”
-Isaiah 44:6
“You will know that I am with Isra’el
and that I am Adonai your God,
and that there is no other.
Then my people will never again be shamed.”
-Joel 2:27
So at this point, you’ve got your trinitarian opponent trapped and in a check mate position.
Keep pressing him.
Ask him again…Did Yeshua’s God say the above verses?
If the trinitarian says no, he is clearly contradicting Scripture..because if Yeshua’s God didn’t say those verses, then who did?
On the other hand, if the trinitarian says yes, he contradicts his doctrine.
Why?
Because Yeshua cannot be a separate being from the one true God and also be God Himself IF THERE IS ONLY GOD.
And that is why at the end of the day, the trinitarian will always have to resort to saying “It’s just a mystery” nonsense.
You know what’s so hypocritical about the Trinitarian position?
In every other area of his life, he will live his life according to the sound rules of logic that God has woven into the very fabric of the universe He created.
However, when it comes to the SHEMA, the foundational tenet which undergirds the true Biblical faith, he will accept the illogical and UNSCRIPTURAL 100% God/100% man nonsense.
Do you really think our Father in Heaven would create such an illogical and difficult to comprehend doctrine concerning something so important as His nature.
For crying out loud, He says He is ONE and there is no other!
Even a one-year child can understand that.
Why can’t you just accept it?
CONNECTING THIS TEACHING TO THE NEW TESTAMENT
Yeshua said,
“Do not hold on to me,
for I have not yet ascended to the Father.
Go instead to my brothers and tell them,
‘I am ascending to my Father
and your Father,
to my God and your God.'”
-John 20:17
NOTE: Can’t you guys see that Yeshua is clearly placing himself as a separate being from the Father. How can Yeshua have a God and also be that God Himself? Let’s stop being retarded for crying out loud.
It would be helpful, I think not to refer to oneself as a “true believer”. This gives the impression to the trinitarian that you dont think he himself is a true believer. Dosent matter if it’s true or not. What matters is whether you win him over. By implying that you are a true believer and he is not a true believer you sound arrogant and will turn him away right at the start. Are you trying to make a point or make a difference?
I think it would be much more readily received by trinitarians if you did not imply that they are not true believers—-I am referring to the conversation where you refer to one person as a “true believer”, thus implying that the trinitarian is NOT a true believer. Whether they are true believers or not dosent matter. If you want to win them over you should not imply that they are not true believers. This will seem very arrogant to them and turn them away no matter how good your anti-trinitarian reasoning. Are you trying to make a difference or just make a point?
Hi Chris, I totally agree with you. If you have better option besides “true believer”, please let me know and I’ll use it! Shalom!
Enjoyed reading your stuff until this one. I can’t get around Jesus’ clear teaching that he himself is God. He who rejects this rejects Christ. Too many references to even begin quoting as evidence of this – begin reading the gospel of John if you’re not sure what I’m talking about… (1:1, for starters).
But if you’re completely averse to the concept of “mystery,” then you yourself have placed your own human logic above God’s clear revelation. May God’s Word alone be our authority, not our fallible reason…
God bless you,
Matt
Bro. Matt, I believe this article by Joel Hemphill offered a good explanation to John Ch.1. Shalom.
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Understanding John Chapter One
By Joel Hemphill
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1).
The wide spread misunderstanding of this verse among Christians is the source of much of the confusion that exists regarding who the One Most High God of the Bible is. It is a serious mistake for Christians to read John 1:1 as if it says: “In eternity past was the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was God,” thus making Jesus the eternal God.
It should be read and understood as:
“In the beginning (some certain beginning) was the word (Greek – logos – speech, something said), and the word was with God, and the word was God” (the breath of His mouth).
Note: John uses the word “beginning” 23 times in his writings and not once does he mean “eternity past.” It is always some certain beginning.
Note: The word “word” in John chapter one is not capitalized in the original Greek, and in many older translations.
Here are the proof texts:
“By the word of the Lord were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth….for he spoke and it was done” (Ps. 33:6, 9).
“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God” (Heb. 11:3).
“By the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water” (II Peter 3:5).
“These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God” (Jesus speaking) (Rev. 3:14). Trust Jesus!
Now please look at John 1:3.
“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
Is the word “him” in this verse translated properly? First of all it does not harmonize with a true understanding of the two prior verses. (The “word” – logos – “something said” is not a “him”).
Second, it is important to note that of eight prominent English translations that preceded the King James Version of 1611, not one used the word “him.” Seven of the eight rendered John 1:3, “By it all things were made. Without it nothing was made” (Tyndale Bible, 1526; Matthew, 1535; Tavener, 1539; The Great (Cranmer’s) Bible, 1539; Whittingham, 1557; Geneva, 1560; Bishop’s Bible, 1595). One, the famous Coverdale Bible of 1550 says “the same” rather than “it.” None of these eight say “him.” Why did the King James translators render “it” as “him,” as if it were a person? They were influenced by Greek philosophy through the “logos doctrine” which came from Plato and Philo, and made its way into Christian thought by way of Justin, Origen, Athanasius and Augustine, and was promoted by 1300 years of false Catholic tradition. Their error has helped to lead millions of sincere Christians astray in their understanding of who the one true God is!
A challenge made in love. Go to your library and find any book, encyclopedia, Bible concordance or dictionary that deals with the doctrine of the Trinity. Look in the subject index under “Divine logos doctrine” and it will refer you to Plato, Philo, and other Greek philosophers. Thus our understanding was corrupted!
What John meant in John 1:14.
“And the word (logos – something said) was made flesh (Jesus, the Son of God), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” What God said became flesh!
These verses in John chapter one are at the heart of the debate as to Jesus’ deity, and the key to a true Biblical understanding of who he is.
Words of truth from Professor James Dunn.
The noted Trinitarian scholar Professor James Dunn correctly states in his exhaustive study “Christology In The Making:”“There is no clear indication anywhere in Paul that he ever identified Christ (pre-existent or otherwise) with the Logos (Word) of God” (p. 39). “Similarly in Acts there is no sign of any christology of pre-existence” (p. 51). “In Matthew and Luke Jesus’ divine sonship is traced back specifically to his birth or conception…he was Son of God because his conception was an act of creative power by the Holy Spirit” (p. 61). “In the earliest period of Christianity ‘Son of God’ was not an obvious vehicle of a christology of incarnation or pre-existence. Certainly such a christology cannot be traced back to Jesus himself with any degree of conviction…it is less likely that we can find such a christology in Paul or Mark or Luke or Matthew” (p. 64). “There is no indication that Jesus thought or spoke of himself as having pre-existed with God prior to his birth or appearance on earth. We cannot claim that Jesus believed himself to be the incarnate Son of God” (p. 254). “There is always the possibility that popular pagan superstition became popular Christian superstition by a gradual assimilation and spread of belief” (p. 251). 1 Yet, after making these statements Professor Dunn closed out his book with a “Trinitarian Confession” (p. 268). This proves again that even though a doctrine is not taught in Scripture it does not bother some theologians. But is does bother me and it should trouble every Christian who loves the truth!